Augason Vegetable Stew Mix

WinCo has restocked on the Augason Farms products.

I’m pretty well set on these products, but since it’s available and I’m always up for experimentation….lets crack one open and see what we get.

What you see in the picture above is two heaping tablespoons of this dehydrated vegetable mix. Its a bit heavy on the potatoes, but there’s a pretty fair representation of everything else in there as well. So, how to rehydrate? Well, let’s just go with the basic of using warm water and time.


I put in enough warm water to cover, and left to go to work.

After a little while, t hings start plumping up.

And when I returned to the house at the end of the day, this is what I saw.

Drained the remaining liquid and this is what remains. The thing that surprised me was just how small these things were cut. When Ii think stew, I think of reasonably hearty chunks of vegetables. Not here. No piece is larger than a thumbnail. This isn’t necessarily bad, it just means you should be aware of it.

I’m going to try mixing this up with a can of beef stock, some Keystone beef, and a few other dry ingredients and see what kind of beef soup or beef stew can be created out of entirely long-term foods. I’ll let you know how it works out.

Keystone Beef II

As you may recall, I earlier mentioned that my local WallyWorld had started carrying some Keystone meats. I’m not a huge fan of canned meats, but I’m even less a fan of going through any type of prolonged crisis having to forego meat.

I had tried the diced beef and found it quite good. Todays adventure is the ground beef. The biggest drawback I’ve heard regarding canned ground beef is that, since it is pressure cooked, the meat gets quite tender. So much so, in fact, that some people have mentioned the consistency of the ground beef as ‘mushy’…similar to the beef youd get at a Taco Bell.

One way to find out…..

I would definitely remove as much of the fat as possible before cooking. I went ahead and cooked it as-is out of the can and it created a lot of liquid.

I understand that in a survival situation ( a la ‘The Mandibles‘) you’d want that energy-rich fat, but it sure takes a while to cook off.

Consistency-wise I would not say it was ‘mushy’. It just wasnt firm and crumbly like most ground beef. What I did notice was that it had a much beefier flavor than normal ground beef. That can be good or bad depending on what youre planning on doing with this stuff, but for something like tacos (or taco sald) this would be a fine choice. Probably a go-to for sloppy joes as well. Didnt try it in a spaghetti sauce but the strong flavor might require you to adjust your seasoning in that particular entree.

For my needs, I’d combinethis with some salsa and cooked rice with maybe a lttle taco seasoning thrown in for a fast purely ‘storage food’ meal. Might also add some crushed tomatoes, peppers, onions, spices, rice, and go that route. Up to you, man…ground beef is just a sort of ‘basic building block’ to create a meal around. Sure, I can get protein from beans and rice just like the rest of the Third World, but why Third World it if you don’t have to?

As I’m sure someone will mention in comments, yes I know I can pressure can my own ground beef and save some money. Absolutely no doubt there….I have the skill and equipment. But there are times I prefer the resilience and durability of a can rather than the fragility of glass jars. Also, and this is a very -low-on-the-totem-pole consideration, if I ever need to trade or sell these to someone in Mad Max world the commercial product will be more attractive than the home-canned version.

 

YouTube videos re: canned meats and canned food

Following a link from ,Rawles’ SurvivalBlog led me to this channel.

There is no shortage of preparedness-minded folks sharing their opinions and experiences on things like guns. Thats easy, low-hanging fruit that is always good for views. But preparedness is about a lot more than boomtoys. And, if you think about it, while you don’t need to shoot something three times a day, we all usually eat three times a day. So….food is kind of a somewhat bigger deal than guns when it comes to preparedness. Its just not as sexy.

So, I’m perusing this fella’s YouTube channel and while I may not be interested in everything he has to say, or even agree with it, I gotta give him credit for doing the work.

Food taste is very subjective. What you think tastes great might not taste great to me, and vice-versa. But it’s still good to at least see the options that are out there and let someone else take the financial hit of opening a dozen different cans of food, dumping them on a plate, and taking video.

Freeze dried ice cream sandwiches

ETA: The Aborted Launch and Meteoric Rise of Astronaut Ice Cream

CostCo has been, as of late, carrying some Mountain House freeze dried meals in an ’emergency pack’. This is in addition to a couple other ‘survival bucket’ products that CostCo is carrying. Personally, I’d buy the MH product rather than the other survival food available at CostCo. At least the MH includes some minor degree of real meat…not TVP or ‘chicken flavor‘. (For example, these kits don’t offer ‘chicken soup’. No no no. They offer ‘Chicken flavored soup’ or ‘Beef flavored stew’. Because if you say ‘chicken soup’ then you better have some actual chicken in there or you could be construed as having misled the buyer.

Anyway…

In addition to the Mountain House emergency pack, I noticed that CostCo is also carrying these:

First off, you do not add hot (or cold) water to reconstitute this stuff. You simply eat it as is. I’ve had these before and many people have as well…theyre kind of a novelty in the world of survival food. Does it taste like ice cream? Well, yes. But it gets a bit gummy in your mouth. Still, its pretty cool and a nice treat.

Would I buy these? Nah. I mean, if you want something to hand out to impress your friends at a picnic, yeah. But its kinda expensive. Still, when you’re manning that roadblock after the fallout settles it might be a nice break from the MRE’s and Spam.

Price increase

About two months ago, back in July, I made a post about Winco having gotten in a bunch of Augason Farms products. Please pay attention to the butter powder: Twenty bucks a can for the butter powder. Hmm..okay, seems reasonable. Cut to today at Winco:

Thats about a 66% increase from what it was two months ago. Maybe the original posting was of a special promotional price. Or maybe that ‘transitory inflation’ has been busy. Or maybe Augason marked the MSRP up a whole bunch. Beats me. But here’s what I do know: if you had bought it back in July, your hundred bucks would have gotten you five cans. Today, you’d get three. Strike while the iron is hot, mi amigos y amigas, because you don’t know what tomorrow will bring.

ETA: Yes, I know I can get this stuff cheaper on Amazon. The point of the post was to illustrate that sometimes savage price hikes occur with absolutely zero warning.

Long-term food at WinCo

WinCo is at it again. For those of you who are local, or who are willing to make the drive into town, we are talking about the Winco at Reserve & South. They had the Augason Farms products again but his ime with something new…fake meat. They had ‘ground beef substitute’ which as we all know is code for TVP. Now, being a good survivalist as well as someone who reads food labels, i can tell you that TVP is a long-time staple of many preparedness-marketed foods. Real long-term-ready meat is not cheap. But TVP is. So when you roll up on a bucket of survival food and it mentions ‘hearty chili’ or somesuch, check that label. Odds are high that the beef you think is in that stew or chili is actually TVP.

Now, if TVP actually was indistinguishable from the real deal, I would be a supporter of it. But I have tried TVP and I have tried preparing it in a dozen different ways. I have never had an episode where I got a mouthful of it and thought it was indistinguishable from real meat. Maybe if you cook it up in enough taco seasoning and add enough salsa you might overlook it’s non-meat texture and favor but…no.

However….it is a great protein source that stores wll (but then again, so is rice & beans). Anyway, its there if you want it. They are also selling cans of beef stew vegetable blend, so get a can of the veggies, a can of the beef TVP, a gallon or two of water and you’ve got post-apocalyptic dinner in hand.

Whether you like TVP or not (and Im in the ‘not’ camp) you have to be practical and realize that for its intended use (keeping you from starving during the Bad Times) it’s actually a good product. However, its not for me and I’d rather simply store real meat..either canned or freeze-dried.

Anway, its up at WinCo and even if you’re not into the TVP, there’s still some other stuff up there worth picking up.

Video – WW2 US Navy ice cream

This is an interesing video. It discusses how during WW2 ice cream played a big part in troop morale and he efforts by the military, esp in the far-flung hot Pacific regions, to provide ice cream to the troops.

What makes this interesting is that the military ice cream is made from shelf-stable powdered ingredients…most notable eggs and milk. Now, I loves me some ice cream and the notion of not having to ride out the apocalypse without ice cream has an attraction. That said…..:

Obviously you’re going to need a particular amount of electricity to cool things in your ice cream maker, but often times it’s a lot easier to produce electricity than it is to produce milk and eggs. And I rather like the idea that, once you have the basic ingredients in long-term form, you can whip up some homemade ice cream whenever you want.

And befoe anyone mentions Mountain House’s freeze-died ice cream…it’s not that great. I’ve had it before and its just a bit gummy.

Video – 55-year-old freeze dried soup

We’re all familiar with Campbell’s Soup, right? Red and white can thats been around for a zillion years. You know the brand.

What I did not know was that for a few years, back in the sixties, they sold some of their soups in freeze dried form.

What we have here is a video of a couple guys opening up, reconstituting, and eating 55-year-old freeze dried soup. TL;DR – it was good.

This is unsurprising but still a good reminder that as long as the packaging is in good condition, freeze-drieds will pretty much last your lifetime. Does he nutritional value degrade? Probably. But I doubt it degrades to zero, which means that 55-year-old freeze drieds beats starving to death.

For those of you who missed it the first time, a Friend Of Gun Jesus did his own taste test on some old Mountain House and his results were pretty encouraging.

The point here is that if you include freeze drieds as part of your storage food program, and you protect the packaging from damage, your food should be just fine for pretty much the rest of your life.

Why not those ‘survival food buckets’?

You’ve seen them at CostCo, Cabela’s, and other venues…and they are relentlessly promoted on talk radio and podcasts….yes, I’m talking about those buckets that supposedly have ‘delicious, nutritious long-life survival food’. Upon examination and testing they usually come up far short on nutrition, are a bit distant from ‘delicious’, but they usually do nail the long-life part. Then again, a rock is also long life so there’s that.

The biggest problem with these buckets or kits is that they provide a false sense of security. They’re marketed to the people who feel the need to ‘do something’ but just want to whip out their credit card, make an online purchase, and check “food” off their survival checklist. I would wager virtually none of them actually read the labels.

What are some of the problems? Well, in my experience, quite a few:

  • Calorie Count
  • Lack of meat
  • Reliance on soups and stews
  • Portions
  • Variety
  • Sodium
  • Price

A few years back, Wise food storage got their cod in the crusher over the calorie count of their bucket of survival food. What they had marketed as a two-week supply was, indeed, a two week supply….if you didnt mind each meal having so few calories that it made POW camp rations look generous.

Succinctly, the amount of calories provided by the food in the bucket did not provide nearly enough of the daily recommended amount of calories for a healthy individual. Couple this with the increased caloric requirements from the stresses involved in whatever disaster you’re experiencing and you wind up on, basically, starvation rations. Say what you will about the USDA ‘recommended daily allowance’ numbers but they at least give us a benchmark to work with. Two thousand calories a day is what they usually recommend and most food bucket kits wind up shorting you on that. So, if you insist on buying one of these turn-key packages, check how many calories per day you’ll get out of it. If it isn’t close to 2000, you might want to explore other options.

One thing you’ll notice very quickly is that most of the meals are of the liquid/’mushy’ variety – soups, stews, pilafs, etc. Basically nothing you need a fork or knife for. Most notably, there is a very pronounced lack of meat. Again, read the labels..often youre not getting Chicken Soup or Chicken and Rice. You’re getting Chicken flavored Soup and Chicken flavored Rice. Meat is expensive and it doesn’t rehydrate well unless its freeze-dried, and freeze drying is an expensive process. As a result, you’ll get more actual meat in one tuna-can-sized can of chicken than you will out of the entire bucket of food.

The majority of the foods you’ll get are soups, stews, oatmeal, pilaf, and anything else that can basically just be mixed with water and served. Soups and stews are filling, yes…but in terms of satisfaction it’s a different story. If you think about it, any meal that says ‘just add water’ is going to be a fork-less meal…oatmeal, rice, soup, stew, cream of wheat, couscous, etc, etc. Some people don’t mind that, but I feel it gets old and makes appetite fatigue set in real quick.

The portions in these things are part of the calorie deficit that seems to plague these packages. After a long day of digging out from the rubble of the tornado, manning roadblocks, moving downed trees, and walking miles with a chainsaw and a drum of gas, the last thing you need is to get a bowl of gruel that barely amounts to more than a few tablespoons yet prides itself as being a ‘hearty’ or ‘generous’ portion. If you’re spending two weeks sitting on your hands in a fallout shelter waiting for the rads to go down, then maybe a coffee mug full of instant oatmeal or soup is enough for a meal. But, odds are you’re going to be doing stuff and you’re going to be doing that stuff in a stressful environment…this is no time for half-rations. Check the portions of whatever product youre buying and ask yourself if you really think eating that portion is enough to keep you going for six or eight hours between meals in a crisis environment.

Appetite fatigue is a real thing. It’s true that when you’re literally starving you’ll eat anything (or anyone), but it’s also true that sometimes the food options are so boring, repetititve, or unappealing that you’d rather not eat if you can avoid it. Thirty days of oatmeal for breakfast, chicken flavored soup for lunch, and beef flavored rice for dinner is going to get old very quickly and you’ll discover that not only are you no longer looking forward to eating, you’re actually kinda turned off at the whole idea. So, the more variety the better.

Sodium is a tricky thing. Most Americans get way too much in their diet. Salt is a big part of storage food and if you look at the nutritional labels on some of these foods you” see that one serving can equal almost 50% of your RDA of salt. Its not a problem for me, but for folks who are watching their salt for whatever reason…well, it might be a big deal.

These pre-packaged buckets seem like a good value but if you can’t stomach the food after two days, or it winds up translating into only a few days worth of calories, then where’s the value?

So whats a person who wants a simple, no-fuss way of checking ’emergency food’ of their list supposed to do? Well, it isn’t exactly hopeless…you just need to be willing to make more of an effort than just buying a plastic tub from some outfit you saw advertised on infowars.com or some similar venue.

The most common refrain in the preparedness community is “Store what you eat, eat what you store.” There’s a lot of truth in that but it isn’t that easy. You need to store what you eat that will store well. That means you have to determine what you think is the window for ‘long term’…is it a year? Two years? Five? You have to think about it because whatever that threshold is, it means you’ll have to use or replace your stuff at that point.

These buckets seem like a good value when you think “price divided by number of meals”, but when you read the label of what you’re getting (or not getting) in each meal, the ‘value’ quickly diminishes. 

Is there a a use for these prepackaged food buckets? Probably. They are better than nothing, there’s no two ways about that. And they might be nice as a supplement to an already existing supply of ‘real food’. Or they could be a ‘last ditch’ sort of thing you hide under the floorboards at dad’s cabin. But the sober truth is that when your options have dwindled to the point that you are digging into your ’emergency food supply’ your life has hit the stage where the last thing you need is substandard nutrition and a calorie deficit.

If you want a ‘bucket of emergency food’ go get yourself a good five gallon bucket, lid, and a rubber mallet. Fill that bucket with canned chicken/beef, canned soup, instant soup, instant rice, canned fruit, instant potatoes, instant oatmeal, canned pasta, bouillon powder, freeze dried entrees, MRE entrees, etc, etc.  Drop in an esbit stove, some matches, a canteen cup, and some plastic utensils.. Then hammer a lid on the bucket and know that you put together something a good bit better than what some ‘patriot’ was shilling on AM radio.

Be adventurous…be curious. Think what you want your post-apocalyptic meal to look like and then go wander the aisles at Kroger. Look at whats available in pouches and cans. Think what you can do with those food items, how you could combine them, what meal options they offer. Buy some, go home, and try making a meal. Theory is great, practice is better. Grab a canteen cup, a P38, a spork, and see what you can cook over an esbit stove.

At one end of the spectrum is a basement full of expensive-but-delicious freeze dried entrees, at the other end are 2-liter pop bottle filled with rice and beans. It’s in that area between the two where most of us will be, I think. Those pre-packaged food buckets are in that spectrum but they aren’t where I want to be. For me and mine, it’ll be a mix of all of that – FD entrees, bulk food, canned food, pouch food, etc. And, yes, some self-made ‘just in case’ grab-n-go food parcels. There’s not going to be any awards issued after the apocalypse for the person who made it through on the cheapest, least amount of food. Food is far too serious a subject to be dismissed with a credit card and a plastic bucket of potato granules and chicken flavored rice from CostCo.

MRE dude

So the big holiday crush is behind us now. I was traveling for the holidays, unfortunately, but managed to not get stuck in an airport so…there’s a triumph. However, I did have some interesting experiences after all….I got to meet, and pick the brain of, the head honcho of a company that makes MRE’s. Funny who you meet in the course of your travels.

I had a lengthy and technical conversation about MRE’s, packaging, development, cost accounting, whats new on the horizon, who are the big contracts with, calorie requirements from various customers, who are the international customers, etc. All in all, a very informative and illuminating conversation.

I have a goodly stash of MRE’s simply because theyre the epitome of grab-n-go food. They are bulky and they are heavy. But…they are literally everything you need in one place. I don’t view them as a long-term solution but rather as a short-term solution to a particular episode. For example, if I was simply staying home through a blizzard or the aftermath of a hurricane….no need for them, there’s plenty of ways to create better, tasteir meals from my food stocks. But for a ‘get everything in the truck, we have to leave nownownnow!’ sort of situation, they’re pretty much ideal.

Same story on the freeze drieds….they’re not a three-meals-a-day-for-months type of food but rather a specialized item for particular situations. Most notably stowing them in environments where space is at a premium, and long shelf life is paramount. For example, a big sealed drum of them in the closet at your bug-out cabin.

But MRE’s have always had that interesting history of military and .gov development and use. Sure, Mountain House has an R&D department, but it’s probably constrained by the relatively limited resources of a private company. Uncle Sam, however, has no such limitations on how much cash he can swing around if he really wants something. And then he orders five million at a time to get the quantities-of-scale advantage.

Anyway, it was definitely a highlight of this seasons travel experience to meet and talk to someone who is ‘in the know’ on a topic that I’ve found interesting for so many years.

ETA: This was a conversation that was casual and ‘off the record’. I don’t want to say anything that would come back to get this guy in trouble for divulging company secrets or anything like that. So, I won’t say which company, and I won’t say the exact title. What can I say? I was told shelf life of current MRE’s is “five years”. Biggest bottlenecks? Labor and packaging supplies. Biggest customer? .mil and various FEMA-types. International orders? Very few since nations want the stuff made domestically and you cant just build a food-safe facility for one contract.