Okay, so the short version is – no sale.
The biggest issue was that once you made your way through all he other lots that were for sale to get to the one of interest, you were pretty high up and the road was the only flat spot to be had.
On the bright side, there was plenty of elevation drop for the creek to facilitate minihydro, and the property was bordered on three sides by national forest. Also, the main access from the public road had a nice small bridge that could easily be removed to limit access.
It was approximately 40 miles from town, so not too far for convenience, but it was far enough up Ninemile Creek that you weren’t going to get a lot of traffic up that way.
Since I’m not going to grab it, here’s the details for those of you who are curious.
This lot was part of about a dozen that were for sale, but this was the only one that was surrounded by national forest. The other lots were interesting, but they didnt offer the privacy I wanted.
So, the search continues. Im not bummed out by t, I expect there to be a lot of ‘not quite’ before I find the right one. And although I would like to get it done sooner rather than later, every week that goes by gives me more money for a purchase.
So…still looking. This piece was the one closest to my location that I’ve come across so far.
that would take a crap load of work…can’t blame you CZ
Sorry to hear it did not work out.
Following. The location; of bounded on three sides by national forest is a quaint feature that passes the Rawles requirements of a redoubt location. That feature just means no private property neighbors, that are a known variable for consideration in the future, to an unknown variable of public access for anybody to walk on up to your property for any reasons and or nefarious intents. Mouthbreathers can camp and wank off all over the areas around your lot lines due to public access “rights”. You probably will not get any insurance company to issue a policy if you desired insurance policy protections. Sure not necessary really to live there, if you can afford the loss of everything there in a conflagration, but the way they can “Beam and burn” areas (paradise, CA. Hawaii etc with melted alloy car rims and intact green trees nearby, hmm?) at will is a higher problem threat than maurader zombies. The Rawles and Ragnar Benson theories of redoubt and homestead site selections are a guide but is much negated by modern tech, drones etc, and macro actions by deep state or those well connected powers that desire your property or areas. Adapt accordingly to all of those other little variables besides just the zombies.
Commander:
So this wasn’t “The One” –
Don’t let “Perfection” block “Good Enough”!
Easy to do…
Ceejay
I’m curious, is that a common price per acre up there?
Does the remoteness of the property reduce the price?
I assume any house there would be off grid and winter travel could get interesting…
Good luck in your search.
Like everywhere else, prices are all over the map (literally). Obviously, price has a tremendous amount of factors involved….location, water, location, timber, location, features, location, dwellings, location, etc. Western Montana is more expensive because you get to buy views and timber and mountains. Eastern Montana is a grassy parking lot so land is alot cheaper…$1k-$2k per acre. Sometimes less. Western Montana, on the other hand, can get pretty stupid. My budget is $200k for at least 20 acres, which means mathematically I am willing to go $10k per acre. In the real world, of course, I’d prefer to pay as little as possible and still get mostly what I want.
Maybe a group buy on the 547 acre property for $11M /joke.
Hope you find what you ‘re looking for soon.
This might be one to bookmark to see how the other parcels sell. It looks interesting but does look like a nightmare if a forest fire breaks out. The single road leading past the other properties could really be a PIA if one of them decide ‘it’s their road’ and puts up a gate.
I totally get where you’re coming from. You want what you want. I’m getting a kick out of these youtubers buying ‘off grid properties’, build them up and when finished move onto another property. In 2019 we had the chance to buy a really nice 14 acres in upper lower Michigan but had to pass for reasons, glad we didn’t buy it because right across the road the 300+ acre farm sold to a developer in spring of 2020 with the intent to put in a half dozen mini cabins and pads for RVs for people to rent or ‘time share’ as the pandemic ramped up. It’s now basically a time share HOA.
You commented on using hydro power, I was wondering what you planned for a genset, DC or AC , if AC, then single phase, how many Kilowatts? What is the provision for winter use? Will your water source freeze up? Will you use a turbine driven or paddle wheel driven type of system? Will you have solar and/or wind backup and a battery bank to store and an inverter to filter power? Look at me all asky! Just curious. TTFN
Some realtors specialize in land used for logging. Often loggers buy a tract of land, log the best wood, then resell the land at a discounted price. Wife and I (in Maine) bought ~80 acres of recently logged land for $110k. The logging trails are often the obvious path for a new driveway/access road to your build site. Our new house sits right in the middle of a 80 acre forest. I have a steel target range right off my back porch, and several streams surround the property. The stumps aren’t attractive, but they’re temporary, and often spawn new growth of whatever they cut down. Just a thought.
You have to watch that – I’ve seen properties heavily logged then sold for more than they paid for it, usually with a deceptive description as well…
I guess you have limited choices in MT, but a 4400 ft. elevation would be almost impossible to grow much more than lettuce, garlic, and asparagus. Maybe if you had a large hoop house with propane heat it would be a different story. It may be too far, but have you looked at the lower elevation options of western MT like Thompson Falls north to Troy/Libby?
If the price is right, perhaps consider one or more cache sites, ultra sneaky. No electronic signature there, ever, and no written records, and as little physical sign as well. Cash and a handshake, perhaps even packing cache supplies in on foot. Maybe even skip the purchase…
CZ, I am in agreement with Stevan.
$149,900 bucks is the listed price, plus closing costs, plus property taxes……forever, till death do you part. For discussion purposes, let’s call it $7500 per acre (round numbers).
So…..just sayin….$150,000 could buy 20 cache sites with $7,500worth of gear at each site.
Or, my guess is you could easily find 20 of your faithful readers to visit and get to know…really well and maybe make some plans with some interesting options…….Said new found close friends might have some suggestions other investing insights.
What else could that $7,500.00 buy that might be “valuable” in the perceived future?
$7,500.00 would cache about 200 one ounce silver Eagles.
$7,500.00 would cache about 2 gold Eagles. + or –
$7,500.00 would cache about X pounds of rice/beans/MRE’s etc.
$7500.00 would cache about 2000+ gallons of diesel.
Sorry CZ, this does not make sense to me. You could take that money and do a heck of a lot more with it than try to hack out and then tend, and defend a 5,000 square foot garden in Montana BFE.
Living as a one man band in a “trapper’s cabin” waiting 24/7 to fend off the horde of incoming locusts, from California or Washington or even Missoula like Grizzly Adams or Jeremiah Johnson doesn’t seem to me to be the way to go.
But, then again, the “property” would “appreciate” in value in the future?
But, then again, that would require a “future” in a world as we know it today.