My hatred of BATFE is something that is in my bones right down to the molecular level. BUT, I have to play by their rules because.
However, I have to admit that once in a while they can take an odious and unconstitutional process and make it a faster, simpler, unconstitutional process.
Apparently, most of BATFE’s Forms are online now. I can go to a website, fill out the Form 1 to ‘make’ a short barrelled rifle, pay the $200 extortion on line, and then just wait for the stamp and approval. It took me less than ten minutes to do.
I still think it’s absurd that if I want a 10″ barrel on my Uzi rather than a 16″ one I have to pay $200 and jump through a bunch of hoops, but, sadly, this is the world we’ve let develop.
I’ll have the engraving done over at Lone Sentinel Engraving, the engraving wing of Zombie Tools, since they’ve got experience at this sort of thing. After that, I’ll order up a 10″ barrel and have my Uzi looking like it was intended to.
It’s only taken then 25+ years to move into the 1990’s.
Heh
Online Form 1s are surprisingly easy, and much faster than the other forms. They should all be that fast!
For an SBR, some people engrave the short barrel so they can temporarily revert to the non NFA status if they want to.
As I read it, it is the serialized receiver that must be engraved.
no fingerprints etc? just a form?
For me, yes. No fingerprints, no CLEO sign off. I’m guessing its because of the previous licensing I have.
CLEO sign off has not been required for a few years now by the ATF. However, you still have to send a copy to the CLEO.
Are you doing it as an individual or a trust? Or do you currently have an FFL of some flavor? (I think it’s a Form 2 for a licensed manufacturer to make an SBR?)
Individuals are required to submit fingerprints and photos with each Form 1 but trusts are not, though they have to do the “responsible party” paperwork.
I’ve an FFL/SOT.
Once a weapon is classified as an NFA item, it is forever NFA. This does not prevent someone from changing the upper out from a SBR to say a 16in upper. However, the lower will always be legally defined as part of an SBR.
Not true.
That’s the rule for machineguns. But for SBRs, Destructive Devices, etc, they are only Title II firearms while in a configuration subject to the NFA ’34.
Remove the too-short barrel or the evil buttstock and an SBR is no longer subject to the NFA. Swap the 40mm rifled barrel on an M203 for a smoothbore 37mm one and it is no longer a DD unless you are using it to fire anti-personnel ammunition rather than flares or smoke.
The Title I firearms in these examples can be sold as Title I (“plain old gun”) firearms, but the purchaser would need to do a Form 1 in order to legally mount the naughty bits, or a Form 4 to buy the firearm with the naughty bits included. The original tax-stamped and registered owner can restore them to a NFA ’34 regulated condition at any time so long as they are in compliance with state laws and have done a Form 20 if the firearms have been moved across state lines from the place they were registered initially.
Earnan,
Provide the link ATF link for what you are saying! I cannot find anything to support what you are saying that it only applies to select fire weapons. Thanks
Im a bit curious as well. Lets say you register an SBR. It now sits in the NFA registry. But if you put a 16″ barrel on it, it’s still an SBR…same way a machinegun with all of its parts taken out and reduced to just the serialized frame is still a machinegun. But, for the sake of argument, lets say thats not the case. You slap a 16″ barrel on it and its no longer an SBR, right? So what happens if I then remove the 16″ and put on a 10″ barrel? Havent I just ‘made’ a new SBR? You might say, no, it was already an SBR when you put the 10″ barrel back on it so you didnt just make a new SBR. But…I thought putting the 16″ barrel on it made it no longer an SBR, and if its no longer an SBR then putting the short barrel on it means you’ve made a new SBR.
I’d like to see the paperwork on this, but I’m pretty sure once you SBR a gun it remains an SBR from a federal standpoint no matter what length barrel is on it. Much how taking the full auto parts out of a machinegun doesnt magically make it not-a-machinegun.
You have to get the paperwork from bateeces saying it has been removed from the list before it’s no longer classed as being on the NFA list.
Recently picked up an Ithaca Model 37 black (more grayish) parkerized shorty. Bottom eject, old school hand fitted parts by craftsmen who knew what they were doing, smooth action. Been around for WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Watts riots, etc. My brother sold one years ago when we walked into the huge Phoenix gun show that had the military drab green parkerized finish, which seems to be very rare. Seen the dealer guy (Vietnam vet who still has the scars) who bought it at a recent gun show who remembered the sale some 20 years ago and exclaimed ‘…I still have it and you ain’t gettin’ it back!…’
They made a version for LAPD, who seem to punch the tickets of goblins regularly. It was the ‘stakeout’ version with a 13″ barrel so NFA rules apply. Not sure what advantage a 13″ barrel would have over an 18″ but I am intrigued about this short barrel stuff.
besides easier to maneuver in/out of vehicles, they are much harder for a badguy to take away from you as you round the corners in the house etc, and easier to hide under a coat too.
According to some of the articles in my multiple gun magazine subscriptions there is a lawsuit winding it’s way through the courts that challenges the requirement to have an FFL to sell guns. If this suit is won. All the extraneous bullshit required will no longer be allowed to occur and may well see the ATF dismantled. It was based on the 1934 National Firearms Act. Which in turn resulted from a law passed in New York City called the Sullivan Act.
So far no word on whether this action will make it the oral arguments stage before the end of May. Descions are released in June.
Actually Roosevelt repealed the Volsted act and they needed something for all those fellas to do. Hence the passage of NFA 34. So typical.
If only the same number of government wastrels were involved today as in 1934