An observation about caching

I stashed a Monovault full of supplies and gear at the Beta Site ‘just in case’. Seems a reasonable thing to do, yes? When packing gear for something like that, I use the scenario “I’m dropped in the middle of nowhere, naked, at night, in the winter. What do I need?” And that pretty much covers the ‘worst case’. I mean, it may be a warm, sunny summer day when I have to beat feet with just the clothes on my back. Or I may have the luxury of rolling up with everything I need packed in the truck. But since I don’t know, I have to assume the worst case…the dark and stormy night.

As such, I was imagining the wet, cold, muddy scenario and it occurred to me that when you have a tightly packed stash of gear and goodies, the items you may need immediately might not be on the top. Since you dont know the circumstances under which you’ll be accessing this cache, you cant really predict what to put at the top of the pile. You may have to dig down through several layers of gear to get to what you need immediately. And, as your digging down through your stash of gear, where do you put the gear that you are digging down through? I mean, clearly the scene would be you huddled over your cache, pulling items out to get to the one you need immediately. And that gear youre pulling out…where are you putting it? Youre just putting it next to you on the ground…the wet, muddy, snowy, icy ground. Where it sits and gets snowed and rained on as your working your way through your cache.

Which got me to thinking that I need to re-arrange things so that the very first thing on top of the pile in the Monovault is either a rubberized poncho, or a waterproof backpack, so that as I pull stuff out I can keep it dry and protected as I unpack the Monovault to get to what I need in that moment. (well, that and a flashlight.)

And, as an aside, I packed an empty large backpack in there specifically because just because you’ve made it to your cache doesn’t mean youre going to be staying there. Might be a circumstance where you need to grab your gear and keep moving along…in which case being able to shove it all into a rugged bacpack will be a handy option….because trying to juggle all that gear in just your bare hands while running through the woods is no ones idea of a good time.

Maybe tomorrow

Well, the plan is to head up to the Beta Site tomorrow. Weather has been good all week, gamecam doesn’t show new snow, and if the weather tomorrow is decent…..it’s a go. Its entirely possible that things have melted enough that I can simply get in there with my truck, but I’ll start with the SxS this trip and if it looks good I’ll make subsequent trips in the truck.

Goals:

  • Install new gamecams
  • Drop off a cache of gear for future use
  • Install and load game feeders
  • Do a bit of walking around and exploring
  • Take lotsa pics

Another goal is to not make the same mistakes as last time. Knowing me, I’ll simply create new mistakes.

Speaking of mistakes, I really need to work on the tunnel vision I have regarding the Beta Site. I am overlooking and ignoring various current events that, really, I should be on top of and wargaming against. I could intellectualize it and say that devoting my self to the Beta Site is getting ready against current events but thats terribly shortsighted. Its going to be at least a year or two befote the Beta Site is ready for anything close to ‘full time use’…so in the meantime I need to make the most of where Im at now and that means shifting focus a bit. One of the biggest things I need to do is get the small loan I have paid off so I can divert funds into replenishing my precious metals stash and getting financially ready for some big-ticket upgrades at the Beta Site.

ETA: And one of the guys from receiving just dropped this on my desk. So, electric chainsaw for the casual small stuff has been achieved. Gas saw next.

 

What to store

Caching guns is always a tricky business because any gun that you hide under a rock somewhere is highly susceptible to not being there when you need it. Because of that heightened possibility of loss, its tempting to make your off-site cache of boomtoys using guns of..shall we say…’lesser value’. Personally, I think its a false economy. So, I’m wondering what to store away at the Beta Site, secure in its little burial vault, until that day when I show up, ‘socially naked’ as they say in ‘Pallas‘, and need to heel myself against whatever chased me to the Beta Site to begin with.

On the one hand, it’s nice to be ready for anything. On the other hand, there needs to be a good measure of practicality and realism. I mean, the obvious answer seems to be a rifle of some type (AR,AK,G3) and a Glock 9mm. That seems like a reasonable minimum, I’d imagine. It fits neatly into a Pelican rifle case, isn’t a huge financial risk, and provides a level of security that seems…adequate.

Or, theres Option B which is an AR, Glock, 10/22, and an 870, A veritable Whitmans Sampler of guns. (Really, more like a Charles Whitman Sampler.) The problem there is that you can really talk yourself into ‘needing’ so many arms hidden away that you wind up with a Mel Tappanesque level of hunting guns, defensive guns, working guns, etc, etc.

Security is always a concern. I would think that if you bury something, and you do a good job of it, unless someone saw you bury it anything you’d bury would be safe from unauthorized access. May not be safe from environmental concerns, depending on how well you packed things up, but from security concerns it seems sound.

And, yeah, I’ll probably keep a pistol case with a handful of P95DC’s up there regardless of what I decide. I mean, thats kinda one of the reasons I bought so many of the darn things. But somewhere between “A glock and an AR” and “everything” there’s gotta be a sweet spot. And then theres the whole exercise of extra guns for whomever is coming with you or meets you there. And ammo. And support gear. Starts to add up.

 

Cache and carry

Spend any time in survivalism and you eventually get to the topic of caches. And, before I get too far down this particular rabbit hole, I just want to say that “cache” is pronounced “cash” as in “Johnny Cash”. If you pronounce it “Cash-ay” you come off sounding like an illiterate redneck. Moving on now.

Everyone at some point talks about hidden or buried caches. The notion being that someday, when your life has taken a profound and undeniable turn sideways, you will be on the run, find your hidden cache, and increase your odds of survival by replenishing and re-equipping yourself with what you prudently packed away those many years earlier.

What people decide to cache away is highly subjective. Some people might pack away everything but the kitchen sink. Some people might just tuck away some fake ID, a pistol, and a whole bunch of cash. And some people might go a bit further. What’s important, though, is that whatever you store for a later date has to be protected in such a way that the cache is impervious and invisible to the world around it. A good way to do that is to bury it. What do you bury it in? There’s a lot of chatter on that topic but many people like genuine military ammo cans. Get one big enough, with good seals, perhaps paint it with some sealant like roofing tar or somesuch, and pop it into a hole in the ground. Which brings us to this video from the, unfortunately, soon-to-be-departed Paul Harrell:

An excellent video showing what to expect. Those tall mortar cans can sometimes be had at gun shows, and can definitely be found online. Also Craigslist if you’re lucky.
One thing that is not touched on, and that I’m sure you’ll figure out on your own, is that while GPS is awesome for getting you back to “X marks the spot”, you have to plan on it not being available. Could be a buncha things….gov turns it off, degrades its accuracy (which used to be policy), satellites get knocked out by China, etc, etc. So, by all means, take GPS coords and save ’em, but also hide your stuff in such a manner that a simple hand drawn map and compass will work too. The guideline I personally would use is to do it in such a manner that I cold tell someone where it is, hand them a hand drawn map and a compass, and they’d have little trouble finding it.
Anyway, a good video on a topic that is something we’ve all thought about (and probably done) from time to time.

Sacrificing gear and why your 2nds should be as good as your firsts

A comment on the previous post about the perceived need these days to be more than a little armed at all times….specifically, regarding vehicles:

 If gear or extra guns must be shed, abandoned or cached away from home base in an incident so be it. That excess cargo kit in vehicles should be sacrificial extra inventory items any way. How much is your life worth? It may be stolen from vehicles, the vehicle stolen, or the vehicle totaled out or torched in some scenarios that are indeed possible. It is deadly serious out there, so equip yourself to at least stand a chance.

This ties into something I’ve always found interesting when it comes to survivalism – the notion that ‘just in case’ gear, or gear that you stash away for an unlikely-but-possible emergency can be several orders of magnitude beneath your ‘primary’ gear in terms of quality.

Let’s say that you decide you’re gonna ride out the apocalypse with your Daniel Defense AR, a tricked out Glock, and maybe a sweetly set up Rem 870. But you figure that you should have a stash somewhere else ‘just in case’. And, more often than not, that same person stocks their ‘backup stash’ with a Makarov, an SKS, and whatever extra shotgun they have laying around.

I’ve mentioned this before but heres the crux of things – if you need to resort to your hideaway stash becase you can’t get to your primary gear, then its safe to assume that your life has just taken a turn for the spectacularly ungood, agreed? So, in that time of (literally) existential crisis doesn’t it seem to make sense that you would want the best gear you can have?

Or, put another way, assuming the guns listed above, you show up at Uncle Steve’s cabin, tear up the floorboards, find your Pelican case of hideout gear, and throw the lid open. Would you rather your DD AR and Glock was in that case or would you rather it was an SKS and a Mak?

When people skydive, do you think their backup ‘chute is of lesser quality and construction than their primary ‘chute? When people scuba dive, do you think the respirator and tank that are carried for emergencies are made to a markedly lesser quality?

This is why, personally, I spend the money on such a heavy layer of redundancies. I can take a good Glock 17, a quality AR, and a reliable 870, tuck them into a Pelican case and stick it away in a hideyhole somewhere ‘just in case’ and be just as well armed with that set up as I would be as if I hadn’t had to resort to my stash. And I can do that several times. Sure, stash one and two may never get used, but when its 3am on a dark rainy night and I’m frantically pulling that Pelican case out from under the woodpile while looking over my shoulder for the headlights that I’ve been trying to avoid….that third stash will be worth the expense of the other two.

And this doesn’t just apply to guns. Think about the stuff you keep in your vehicle. I know people who, when they wear out a pair of boots, throw them in the vehicle for emergencies. Dude, an emergency is when youre gonna want a pair of good boots…not ratted out old ones with blown stictching, split seams, and floppy soles.

Your backup gear should be of the same ‘tier’ as your primary gear. Is that expensive? Heck yes. But it’ll seem dirt cheap if you ever need to use it.  Are there exceptions? Maybe. If your primary setup is a SCAR and a Zev Glock you could probably get by with an AR and a regular Glock, for example. But there is not going to be an award given to the person who made it through the apocalypse with the least expensive gear. I have no doubt that a person could make do with bleached-out two-liter pop bottles to store their water in, a ChinaSport 3-9x on their .22, and a Harbor Freight generator. Maybe. But if you didn’t have to, why would you? Don’t you want to give yourself every possible advantage at a time when you’re desperately going to need them?

As the commenter pointed out, yes, you may wind up sacrificing your gear for some reason. And thats gonna suck. But up until that point, you will have a tremendous advantage in your favor.

Everything is sacrificial when it comes to survivalism. Yes you paid $3k for that rifle. But if you go through that checkpoint and you get caught with it you may wind up in jail cell as the world collapses around you. So out the window at 45 mph it goes. It hurts, yes…but look at whats more important.

We purchase things all the time, never use them, and consider it money well spent. Take homeowners insurance for example. If you pay the insurance for 30 years and your house never burns down, was it a waste of money? No, it was not. For those thirty years you transferred your risk to someone else. For those thirty years you were effectively bulletproof if something happened to your house. So, no, not a waste of money. Same thing with any gear you wind up having to ditch or never get to use – it bought you a level of safety and security by its very existence. Worth the expense.

So do it right the first time and get back-up gear as good as your ‘main’ gear. Or if thats really too painful, and I know it can be, get the next step down. But for the love of Crom, don’t just skip the second- and third-best options and sink straight to the Mosins and HiPoints. Scared and desperate future you will thank you for it.

Those hideout,bugout,cabin, last ditch, barn guns

Theres a false economy, of sorts, in preparedness regarding ‘backup’, ‘bugout’, or ‘last ditch’ gear and guns. For example, someone will have some cool Tier 1 guns and gear for ‘the boogaloo’, and then they’ll say that at their supersecret bugout location they’ve got a couple HiPoints, a few Mosin Nagants with cases of 7.62x54R, and a few Maverick 88 shotguns as their ‘backup’ in case they have to leave home with nothing but the clothes on their back and the gear in their vehicle.

Now, let’s examine that thought for a second. What is the circumstance under which you would be forced to use that ‘backup’ gear? Well, reasonably, that circumstance would be one where you needed your top tier gear but it was, for whatever reasons, unavailable. Makes sense, right? So here’s the likely scenario…[Big Event] occurs that you’ve been preparing for..but it happens when you’re away from your tricked out 1911, super razoo Wilson AR15, and you’re thunderous Benneli M4. But, ‘no problem’, you think. You were smart and cached some backup guns just in case. So, you trunlde off to HideyHole Mk.I and retrieve your Bersa, Mosin Nagant, and Stevens 311. Now you’re ready to take on the apocalypse!

See, here’s the problem – if you have hit the stage of life where you need your Tier 1 stuff and don’t have it, then your life is, by definition, at a point where your backups should be at least as good as your Tier 1. Or, put another way, if the stuff youre putting away ‘just in case’ isn’t good enough to be your everyday Tier 1 stuff, then when youre forced to use it you’re going into the apocalypse riding a Hyundai.

If a Mosin Nagant wasnt your first choice for the zombie apocalypse, why would you stash one away as your backup 2nd choice? Because, follow me on this, if you don’t have access to your first choice gun, then that 2nd choice gun becomes your new first choice gun. And a Mosin Nagant is no one’s first choice.

Me, mt ‘run out the door gun’ would be, in all likelihood, and AR and a Glock…just like 90% of survivalists and police across the country. And the stuff I stick away in a secondary location as backup? An AR and a Glock. And that remote, probably-never-need-it tertiary backup? AR and a Glock. Because when it’s some stormy, dark, wretched night and I’ve spent three hours driving back roads to the Beta Site hoping no one followed me, and I unpack the Pelican case under the floorboards, the level of comfort, reassurance, and confidence I’ll get from those guns will be several orders of magnitude greater than what it would be if that case contained an SMLE and a Makarov.

This isnt exclusive to guns, by the way. Your day to day “go to” flashlight might be a $175 SureFire or Streamlight, and then you tuck a $20 MagLite at your cabin. Or you buy a $100 Ka-bar or BK&T knife for your EDC bag and stash some Made In China crap in your ’emergency supplies’ that you keep at your uncles ranch.

It can be expensive. A reasonably reliable AR from a known manufactuer (not a ‘custom’ gun built in your kitchen from a ‘Vic’sPlumbing And AR” lower) is probably gonna be around $700. Figure that it’s a gun youre sticking away in the rafters in your shed, or hiding under a floorboard at Uncle Steve’s ranch, it can be kinda painful to just basically stick $700 in a hole and leave it there for possible perpetuity. But, if the day comes that you ever need it….you’re gonna be real glad you sucked it up and spent the money.

 

Government-maintained private caches????

I was diddybopping around the internet and stumbled across this article from about six years ago. Succinctly, a local government in Oregon was urging citizens to be prepared for earthquakes and/or tsunami. Here’s where it gets interesting. It is urging citizens to create ‘caches’ for their families. The city will even sell you the fabulous 55-gallon ‘blue barrels’ to fill with supplies and provide a workshop to advise you on how to do it. So far so good, yes? Now, see where it goes off the rails…

Each shipping container is loaded with three different types of supplies: family cache containers; medical, administrative, and support equipment; and tourist, employee and visitor kits. City emergency management personnel will open the containers in case of an emergency.

The local government is also setting out shipping containers to be used as storage for all those personal caches. Or, put another way, you load up a 55-gallon drum with survival supplies and hand it to your local government to lock away in a cargo container so it’ll  be available during a crisis … assuming the government lackey with the keys to the conex shows up and says its okay for you to get your stuff. Oh…and you pay the government a fee for yearly maintenance of your stuff. Because.

What could possibly go wrong?

The more cynical among you will opine that the local government just found a way to stockpile emergency supplies without having to pay for them.

Good intentions, I’m sure….but I would much rather have a 55-gallon drum of supplies hidden somewhere where I can have constant access to it, and no one else knows about it, rather than put my gear in a cargo container with a hundred other strangers gear and hope the government will unlock the doors and let me have it in an emergency.

I wonder if this program is still in effect or if it ever got off the ground………

Link – French Resistance cache unearthed including STENs named ‘Pepette’ and ‘Alice’

Hmm..first it was an StG44 ad now this.

A couple remodeling an old home in north-central France found a cache of ammo, grenades and submachine guns hidden under a granite floor, The Lyonne Republicaine reported.

The find was made in July by the couple in the Quarré-les-Tombes area, about 150 miles away from Paris. Cached under the floor were three STEN guns, over a dozen Britsh Mills bomb type fragmentation grenades, three handguns, more than 1,000 rounds of ammo, and several Bren light machine gun magazines.

I wonder if, a hundred years from now, people in Idaho, Arizona, and Montana will be finding PVC burial tubes full of guns and ammo every time someone digs up an old driveway or tears down an old garage.

Mathematically, there has got to be a lot more of these sorts of things out there. WW2 left millions of guns and related materials spread across Europe. It’s no stretch to think that there were quite a few people who squirreled a bunch of it away.

Here in Montana, the thing found mostly is what we term ‘relics’. Someone plows up an old Sharps that is nothing but a barely recognizable collection of rust, or someone finds an old Colt in the rocks under a bridge somewhere. We all read about that Winchester that got found propped up against a tree after a hundred years, right? I’ve met more than a few folks who have found guns out in the sticks…usually a gun someone lost or forgot, rather than a purposefully left cache. But…..there are those out there too. Once in a a very rare while, one turns up when someone leaves it where they shouldn’t have.

I’m always fascinated by these types of stories because they usually have interesting stories of their own behind them.

Zombies, MTM ‘Survivor’ and MonoVault burial/cache tubes

Originally published at Notes From The Bunker. You can comment here or there.

So I watched the new mid-season premiere episode of The Walking Dead. On a day when a Montana news alert said the dead were rising to prey upon the living. Before bed. I guess it’s no surprise that my dreams involved zombies.

On the bright side, remember this post where I was wargaming the best 10/22 for that sort of situation? Well, I had it with me in this particular zombie dream and it did a great job against the undead and the evil, predatory survivors.

Of course, goofy nerd-dreams mean very little in real life. I do need to pick up some accessories to tweak out the Rugers, most notably I need a good suppressor, but I’ll wait until the current hysteria dies down.

Cool dream, though.

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I might have mentioned in the past about an outfit in Idaho making burial vaults for guns. A little more purpose-built than your average DIY sewer-pipe project, I’ve been meaning to get one of these things to evaluate. One feature I very much like about them is that theyre made to take the GammaSeal lids that I’, so fond of.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and MTM/Case-Gard appears to be flattering the MonoVault guys. No sign of it on their website, but CTD (home of the $60 P-Mag) has a little piece up about it on their interesting blog. According to CTD, the MTM product is about 12″ deep and 7″ wide. Enough for a handgun and some small essentials. I think I’d rather spend the bucks and get the MonoVault and be able to tuck and 870, 10/22 and AR in there. For those of us truly on a budget, theres still probably a few of the sonobuoy cases still out there somewhere.

Im not really much of a ‘bury your guns’ kind of guy. If I need to hide a gun somewhere I think I can do a little better than a gun-destroying, moisture-laden hole in the ground. But…products like these are nice for keeping a stash of gear at secondary and tertiary locations, or for travel needs.

cache n carry

Lets see…

Economy on the ropes…..check
Military stretched thin…check
Terrorist activity likely…check
Civil liberties gradually eroding…check

Time to grab the clipboard and make sure things are ready.

This week, since the weather is nice, Im taking the GPS and heading out to the hills to scout cache locations. Joy.