Land, man….

Still hunting for a piece of dirt. I’ve found a piece that looks pretty close to what I want…maps show it has water, there isn’t a road cutting it in half, it butts up against a big chunk of non-private land, and it isn’t that far from here. But…altitude. I really didnt want to get anything that was way up in the hills. But…it’s a nice looking piece, the price is right, etc.

Sent off an email to the realtor asking if there were any other roads, public or private, going through the piece….are there any markers, pins, or other border markings….can a person go unaccompanied and look at it…that sort of thing. We’ll see what I hear back.

Did some investigation into the listed property owners and I get the impression it’s a buncha outtastaters who inherited it. Perhaps they’d be amenable to taking a price cut in exchange for cash and a quick closing.

Before I put the cart before the horse, I need to get boots and eyes on the ground and check the place out in person. I need to check out the access, the roads, etc, etc. And I need to visually confirm if there actually is water on the place.

So, we’ll see what happens.

A real estate ad tailored to me

A friend sent me this and I thought it was worth sharing.

You can watch the world burn in perfect silence….no one will ever find you

Really, it isnt exactly what Im looking for (but pretty close, actually) however the marketing is pretty spot on for someone like me. “Sit on my porch and watch the world burn” is, literally, one of the phrases I use in describing what I’m looking for.

Real estate – 32 acres with 60,000 sq ft bunker

If I found a place like this in Montana, I’d be very tempted to rob a bank or two and buy it….

Nestled in Southern Bedford County Tennessee – Fabulous Homestead with 32-acres, additional building sites, 60,000+/- square-foot Underground Cavern System and modern luxury located in southern Middle Tennessee. ….. In addition to the main home, there is a spray-foam insulated garage / shop / ADU featuring 1 bed / 1 bath equipped with RV hookup with septic, electric, and water hookups. Perfect for extra income or multi use functionality. Enjoy the security of the whole-house generator and water filtration system. The property is 90% fenced – cattle-ready with rolling hills and a perfect mixture of pasture and mature woods including 2 cabins (one used as a chicken coop and the other as a shooting lodge), shooting range, water storage system and solar-ready setup. Cavern System – 60,000 square feet of private caverns, entry points are sealed with over 10 tons of steel, ceiling heights up to 30 feet, generator included, and natural spring water system that flows non stop 24/7/365. Potential uses are endless – safe haven, private retreat, underground event space or revenue generator. This is more than a homestead, it is an opportunity to own something truly rare. This property is offered fully-furnished with equipment and will include a Humvee shown in the media section as well. Schedule your private showing today!

Reminds me very much of this.

Price reduced

You guys remember this group of properties? The realtor dropped me a line to tell me that the sellers have become ‘more motivated’ with some of the lots reduced by $50-60k. Buddy, you could drop it to $0k and I’d probably still not be interested. Too much going on with these properties that make it a hard pass for me.

So, still looking for a chink of dirt. Interestingly, Im seeing more and more properties getting marked down as I read various news articles about how the housing market is slumping. Perhaps theres a buying opportunity coming up? It’d be nice.

I fully recognize that ‘perfect’ is the enemy of ‘good enough’…but honestly, I haven’t seen ‘good enough’ yet. There’s always “Yeah, its perfect except for…” and some things, like a public road bisecting the property, are just not things Im willing to compromise on. So…search continues.

Not this one

Okay, so the short version is – no sale.

The biggest issue was that once you made your way through all he other lots that were for sale to get to the one of interest, you were pretty high up and the road was the only flat spot to be had.

On the bright side, there was plenty of elevation drop for the creek to facilitate minihydro, and the property was bordered on three sides by national forest. Also, the main access from the public road had a nice small bridge that could easily be removed to limit access.

It was approximately 40 miles from town, so not too far for convenience, but it was far enough up Ninemile Creek that you weren’t going to get a lot of traffic up that way.

Since I’m not going to grab it, here’s the details for those of you who are curious.

This lot was part of about a dozen that were for sale,  but this was the only one that was surrounded by national forest. The other lots were interesting, but they didnt offer the privacy I wanted.

So, the search continues. Im not bummed out by t, I expect there to be a lot of ‘not quite’ before I find the right one. And although I would like to get it done sooner rather than later, every week that goes by gives me more money for a purchase.

So…still looking. This piece was the one closest to my location that I’ve come across so far.

 

Boots on the ground

Every time I get optimistic about a piece of property, it sets off a flurry of background activity in my brain. I start thinking about construction techniques, power generation, privacy issues, water procurement, septic management, vehicle and foot access, square footage, and, of course, how to pay for the darn thing.
Im heading out to look at this property tomorrow and its going to be a bit of an adventure. It’s past a locked gate, which is nice, but the roads (and its a very generous thing to call them ‘roads’) might be challenging. The realtor said they had to chainsaw some trees out of the way to get down the road. Interesting.
As I understand it, we will most likely be able to drive in a ways and then have to go the rest on foot. Not a problem…just pack a bag, grab the GPS, lock and load, and off we go.
Last property that I was interested in enough to go look at was a non-starter because of the road access. This one might not be as bad. Its a county road up to the gate, and then its a matter of some logging/mining road/trail for about a mile. After that, it branches and then its about 300 yards to the edge of the property. That 300 yards might be overgrown-needs-to-be-reclaimed ‘road’ or it might be hospitable to a small pickup. We’ll find out. However, I fully expect that, if this comes to pass, a 4-wheeler (or side-by-side) is going to be in my future.
Theres a lot of things to consider before pulling the trigger on something like this. I can only really afford to do it once so I’d like to get it right the first time. I need to see if the terrain is amenable to building, what the access is like, etc, etc. Lotsa things to factor in. Some are dealbreakers, some aren’t. Some can be mitigated, some can’t. There’s no way to tell from just a Google Earth view and some photos that were cherry-picked by the realtor. Just gonna have to do boots-on-the-ground.

Property hunting

This weekend I’m going to go look at a property for sale. You know it’s gonna meet your parameters about remoteness and lack of people when the realtor strongly advises you to bring along bear spray. I, of course, will err on the side of caution and bring Best Millimeter and an HK91.

This particular property is close enough to where I currently live that I can go there on weekends and not spend all weekend driving, but far enough that if things get hairy youre gonna have a helluva time getting to me.

Its priced in such a manner that, if I like it, I may be able to swing the adjoining parcel as well and buy myself some buffer against future neighbors.

We shall see. I’m heading out there Saturday and it should be a bit of an adventure.

Property hunting

Still hunting for property. It seems like whenever I find something that looks reasonable, there’s some little thing that queers the deal. And, before everyone chimes in with ‘perfect is the enemy of good enough’ or ‘if you wait for the perfect piece you’ll never find it’, I’m quite aware of that, thank you. However, there are some things that I’m simply not willing put up with.

Whats the criteria? Well, theres a couple things:

Minimum of 20 acres – Way I see it, this gives me enough space for privacy and various additions to the landscape as I see fit. I have no upper limit except for what I can afford. Im willing to go down a bit in acreage if it gives me something that is of paramount importance –  running water, pond, a spring, well, mineshaft, caves, etc. A 35-acre parcel with no water vs. a 17.5 acre parcel with a year-round spring? No contest.

Price – I’m really trying to keep it below $200k, but I can stretch it maybe 10% if something is really attractive.

Roads – Absolutely dont want a piece that is bisected by a road. I’ve seen quite a few properties that seem ideal and then you look at an overhead view and there’s some road running right down the middle. I have found a couple pieces where the road either dead ends at the property, which is rather nice, or the road paralells one side of the property which is acceptable. What I dont want is a road cutting the property in half so every Billy Bob in the county can go roaring across my property at 3am.

Neighbors – Obviously the fewer the better. One thing Im noticing is that a lot of people build right on the edge of their property line so as to butt right up against the piece I’m looking to buy.

Terrain – I dont want something thats all vertical, and I don’t want something that is basically a parking lot with grass. A little rolling is ideal with some high points and flat spots. Trees and more trees.

Elevation – I’d like to keep it below 5000′ and certainly not up near 6000′

Proximity – I need it to be within reasonable (2-3 hours) of my current location so that I can reasonably get there on weekends and days off to perform work. There’s plenty of stuff six hours from me, but I need to be closer for the purpose of working on the place on the weekends. And, while Im not living here forever, I can’t just pull up stakes and move to an empty stretch of dirt. There’s that ‘in between’ time where I’m going to have to live here, and work on projects there…..and that means the closer the better, within certain parameters.

So, its a bit of a balancing act. For example, I’ve found a few pieces that were hundreds of acres within my price range, but they are basically flat-as-a-cookie sheet prairie where you can watch your dog runaway for three days. Nope, want more timebr, cover, and terrain.

Contrast that with the place that had lotsa trees, a year round spring, privacy, but was all vertical…an entire sloping side of a mountain.

And the place that has 20 acres, a developed well, a two-car garage on a slab, fiber internet, and phone. Annnnnd….neighbors butted up right against the property line with a huge house and several garages.

Like I said, I understand that ‘perfect’ may not exist. I am willing to accept 95%, 90%, or maybe even 85% of what I want. But…there’s some stuff that is just a dealbreaker.

I can only afford to do this once, so I wanna make sure I get it right the first time.

 

 

Article – Trouble in ‘prepper’ paradise: Bunker residents raise financial, safety concerns

IGLOO, S.D. – A former military munitions site with concrete bunkers now used as residences has become the source of numerous lawsuits, several complaints to the South Dakota Attorney General’s Office, a near-fatal shooting and now an FBI inquiry, a News Watch investigation has found.

The former Black Hills Army Depot munitions storage facility was developed in 2016 into the Vivos xPoint bunker complex that is now a residential community marketed largely to so-called preppers.

I have posted before about these ‘tactical timeshares’…the notion that you write a check and ‘reserve your room’ at some grandly appointed ‘safe location’. Perhaps they can be made to work, but I think it’s just a case of “if he didnt want them fleeced, he wouldn’t have made them sheep.”

I’m too tired to rewrite my own words, so I’m just gonna crib them right from the post:

Here’s something to think about – if you’re going to be a member of a ‘survival group’ or organization, membership should be based on something other than money – race, religion, political leaning, ethnicity, familial relation, shared history, etc, etc. If the only membership requirement to get in is to write a check, then in my opinion you are making a mistake.

Whether you know it or not, you’re probably already part of a very informal survival group. You, your spouse, your neighbor who you go shooting with, the guy at work you share books about prepping with, the brother in law who splits a beef with you once a year….shutdown the power grid, roll those people together, and you’ve pretty much got your own ad-hoc ‘survival group’ that would probably be a lot more cohesive than a half dozen families whose only common denominator was the ability to write a check.

Should you have a fortified bunker somewhere? Sure, why not? Should it be in a compound with a hundred other bunkers, each one housing people who are total strangers to you? I don’t think so.

When the situation gets downright horrific, humans turn tribal. And tribe is founded on certain common traits…race, religion, family, etc…. that tribe will be stronger and more cohesive than one that is just ten strangers you met in an elevator.

Im sure that the people who signed up for Vivos’ tactical timeshare thought they were doing something smart. Unless I am missing something , though, I think that they would have been far better off spending that money on either hardening and fortifying their present location, or getting together with other trusted people (family, etc.) and buying a piece of dirt somewhere and building their own retreat environment.

Vivos pops up from time to time on my radar with articles about their business and the people who utilize it. I have said from the beginning that these kinds of places (and there are several others out there) just seem like projects that are doomed to collapse under their own mismanagement, infighting, lack of cohesion, and unworkability.

I’ll drop the money, buy a chink of dirt, build my retreat, and populate it with my own tribe, if they want to join me, and I think it would be more successful, long term, than these snake-oily-sounding project. How did Ignatius Piazza not get into this business?

 

h/t the thoughtful reader who sent me an email pointing this article out to me.

 

Still looking

I’ve mentioned a few times that I dabble in ‘the market’. A bunch of those investments spat out some dividends Friday and about half of that amount gets funneled into the Land Purchase fund, and the rest gets reinvested. So, as a result, I’ve got a little bit more money to put towards getting a chunk of nowhere.

Unfortunately, this late in the year, it is unlikely I’ll be able to actually go walk any potential acquisitions. I cannot imagine that buying a piece of property that you viewed when it was under a foot of snow is a good idea. It does, however, give you some information on how accessible that place is in the winter, but I need more info than that before plunking down a hundred grand.

While I like western Montana for its mountains, and disdain eastern Montana for it’s flat-as-a-cookie-sheetness ( you can watch your dog run away for three days over there, its so flat) there is lots land between those two extremes. I’ve seen quite a few listings just west of Great Falls in the Cascade area that look interesting, and even some up near Choteau and Augusta, but nothing that ticks off enough boxes on my want list to make a trip there to look. Closer to home, the Helmville and Drummond area have some stuff but now youre up in the 5000′ foot range and snow is a bit of an issue at those higher altitudes, along with a shorter growing time.

I did see a very nice chunk up north of here but it was, unfortunately, on the reservation and I am not touching that with a ten-foot pole. Regular local politics is a clown show, tribal politics (and its racial overtones) are just pure anarchy.

Ii don’t mind waiting until spring to get ‘more serious’ about a purchase. It gives me more time to put together more money, and it also gives me time to explore more possibilities online. However, I’m getting older and I don’t want to be too old to enjoy a piece of land when I finally get it. I really hope that next year is the year I take this step and then can get started on the headache of infrastructure.

Speaking of, I did see a piece of property that was almost a contender. It was in an area that a fire had gone though and wiped out. The trees had started to comeback, and the property already had a well and septic on it, as well as a couple foundations where the buildings used to be. I passed on it for reasons, but here it is if anyone is curious

Before you say anything, I fully recognize that it is unlikely (but not impossible) that I’ll find a piece of property that is 100% of what I want, and I’m okay with that. I can live with 90-95%. Or if theres an outstanding feature that makes up for a lack of another, I might even be okay with 85%. But I can only really afford to do this once, so I’d like to get as much of what I want as I can on the first go round. So..the hunt continues.